Loyalties

[wiseheart]

There's been some discussion among people who generally hate the character of Gwen Cooper, formerly from Torchwood, now from Miracle Shit that still tries to sell itself under the Torchwood logo, like an industrious whore, even though it doesn't have a thing to do with the original, whether to give a chance to the latter shit or not. After all, some of them argued, one can't judge a show without seeing it first, and who knows we might even like it.

The stuff behind the tag is my opinion about the entire question, not only Miracle Crap. If you're fond of the Gwenninator, the Rustoid or the Miracle Whip, please don't click on the link. You won't like what's there. If you do, then don't complain. You've been warned.


I don't care if 9/10 of Earth's population watches and loves it - I won't watch a show where the original lead character becomes a whining wimp and a paedophile is made a folk hero, just because they are too lame to execute him, on principle.

I'm not interested in a neutered Jack Harkness or the completely useless Gwenninator blown up like an inflatable sex doll to Wonder Woman. The original character, the one that belonged to Torchwood, was a badly-written, unsympathetic Mary Sue, who cheated on her boyfriend, never listened to those who actually knew what they were doing, causing the deaths of dozens of people because of that endearing charcter trait of hers and treated her colleagues like shit. That she was stylized into the Rustoid's icon after all other (more interesting and actually likeable) characters were killed off, doesn't change that.

I never watched the "reimagined" BSG either. I refuse to waste a single second of my life watching my beloved characters twisted beyond recognition, the original concept thrown out of the window and old fans treated as stupid. Had they done something like Star Trek TNG, which was markedly different and yet repectful towards the original, I'd have given both new BSG and Miracle Shit a chance, but so - no way.

It might sound narrow-minded, I know. I call it being loyal to old favourites. I'd rather watch a brand new, different show than such abominations. Feel free to disagree with me. It won't change a thing about how I see it.

Besides: based on the spoilers I can judge a show very well. I've got lots of experience, watched lots of sci-fi shows and know the original Torchwood, the one I came to love, despite its charming trashiness, very well. I don't want American-style police drama, with plotholes so big you could drive a truck through, instead of the Weevils, the Rift, Myfanwy, and everything I liked in Torchwood. I watched the original for those elements, for Ianto and Tosh. Miracle Crap has none of those. Ergo: I won't watch Miracle Crap. Period.

If someone plans to organize a common mourning for the systematically murdered dignity of Captain Jack Harkness, though, count me in. I'll be there with a candle and a black rose.

Comments

[ajmckay.livejournal.com]

I was on the fence about whether to watch. I honestly loved Tosh and Ianto best and it's hard, but I'm the type to give things a chance. That being said I've seen sentiments of people who aren't/will not watch and I respect that, because most of them have really good points or reasoning. In the end for me personally I've always been good with change and I resolve to give things a chance before blowing them off, but those are rules I hold for myself and no one else.

Miracle Day isn't living up to the prior seasons so far. One of the deciding factors on me watching was that a couple of the American actors I like and respect, so I gave it a shot. I'm going to stick it through, but I'm missing the actual sci-fi elements of the first three seasons (yeah, there's a big twist about no one dying, but that's it) and I'm wondering if the pay-off will be worth it. Though, I am sad that Jack got a more explicit sex scene this season (the shallow girl in me can admit it was hot) and it wasn't with Ianto.

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

As I said: had they done Torchwood: the Next Generation, I'd have given it a chance. I used to have my doubts about Star Trek: TNG, too, being a devoted Original Series fan, but I gave them a chance and found that I loved the spin-off. Just as I loved DS9. Voyager, not so much - they were very ondescending towards Kirk & Co. without whom they'd never had gotten the chance to make a fourth series. For the same reason, I stopped watching Enterprise after the 1st season.

But I can't forgive to make a formerly beloved character (Jack) into a sad caricature, just to shove a disgusting Mary Sue down our throats. And I agree with you, what I've heard about Miracle Crap, it's no longer sci-fi at all.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

I agree. MD is making Jack into a thoroughly unlikeable character - a whiny, whiner who is stupid, inept and as an added bonus - a nasty guy with his one night stand.

Gwen has become the Most Awesome Person on earth. Yeah, right. Where the hell would she have learned all these new skills - firing a grenade launcher, picking locks, changing nappies (Rhys does that doesn't he?)?

And the pedo - I think Rusty is alluding to people who are still members of the Catholic Church after the child molestation scandals. And while I think the Church did a terrible thing in covering up this issue, I'm certainly not going to say that anyone who is part of the Catholic faith is an idiot. Or any faith for that matter. But you know Rusty. He is not a member of the Subtleties Are Us club.

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

I'm a Catholic. I no longer go to church, due to serious issues I've got with the institution, but that doesn't mean I'd no longer have the faith. So yeah, I'm very upset about the child molestation scandals, although the actual reason why I quietly emigrated from the Church was the oppressed status of women (who, actually, keep the whole thing running - without their support, priests, bishops and the pope himself could go packing).

However, I don't find that the Rustoid would support my outrage about the whole scandal with this shit. He glorifies a paedophile murderer, making Jack bond with that monster - and that's a blasphemy in my eyes.

Edited cuz my grammar sucks.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

I'm a Catholic. I no longer go to church, due to serious issues I've got with the institution, but that doesn't mean I'd no longer have the faith.

THIS! so MUCH! I really have no problem with religion as a whole, but most of them just tend to get caught up in the Institution of it and start putting all of these ridiculous dogma's on people. You believe what you want and for all I know, it could be true, so respect for it!

putting all the religious stuff aside. Do I need to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge to know that it will kill me? No, I do not. The story did not interest me from the start, the only somewhat likeable character left became a child-killer. Now, from what few things I've seen of this trainwreck, Jack has been reduced to even less. The other main is Gwen...nuff said. I have no investment in the others and with RTD's trackrecord, I am not planning on trying. The writing alone is so lazy that I can spot the plotholes when I just read the summmary, the last series was so riddled with them, I wished I had never watched it!

Then there is the problem that this is supposed to be WORLDWIDE, BIG SHIT. The lack of fallout in the first two seasons was somewhat sloppy but not crucial. We can assume that the citizens of cardiff were led to believe they were infected by a hallucogenic gas that killed a lot of them instead of Abbadon, the bombings could be normal. No governments, no worldwide exposure, nothing like that because the problems were limited to the team and a small group of victims. I am willing to suspend my disbelieve for Doctor Who because it doesn't take itself serious. This is supposed to be worldwide, serious Drama where the writer wants to adress real-life problems, which he then presents completely skewed. It failed in Children of Earth with the complete nonsense governments and silent cooperation from the entire world to a tiny, tiny country like the UK.

So, based on RTD's trackrecord with badly written characters, haphazard meaningless killing and/or butchering of those I do like, added with a complete lack of reality I will NOT get invested in Torchwood Miracle day. Does that mean that I cannot form an opinion based on summaries, trailers and snippets of it? No, it is my opinion of them what keeps me away from it. I find those little pieces so bad that I feel the need to find an outlet and talk about it. Watching the show itself, oh boy, that would most likely result in even more unnessecary anger and feeling insulted that a writer actually thinks I'm dumb enough to consider this political drama.

What keeps me from staying away completely is my investment in the character of Jack Harkness, who I liked in the first two series. So, now I want to know what happens to him, knowing full well that he is most likely killed or mutilated like Ianto was in CoE.

Sorry folks, once burned, twice shy.

I am not posting this on the AGA, because I don't want to start the same fucking argument again. To me Miracle day has Gwen in it, therefore I am allowed to give my opinion on the damn thing in the AGA without it being off topic. Anyone who complains can do the same thing I do with all those pro-MD shit, ignore em! and don't even get me started on the folks who are saying they actually like Gwen now and STILL post on the AGA....

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

Tell me about frigging hypocrites, eh? It seems that half the AGA have suddenly become opportunists - although what they might find in Miracle Crap, is beyond me.

For the record, I completely agree witz everything you've said above.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

Also, I'll be on vacation for the next week, so any lack of responding starting tomorrow is not out of a lack of interest but a lack of internet.

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

I'll be away for quite a while, too, starting next Friday, so we'll probably have a lot to tell each other when we're both back. ;)

[jsks.livejournal.com]

i have been working straight for over 2 weeks and need a clearer head to respond.

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

No prob, I'll be off-country for a fortnight, so you'll have time to catch up with everything.

Forgot to add: I don't need to actually try a foul egg to tell it's gone bad. If someone else cracks it open, I can still recognize the stench - and avoid eating it.

That's my opinion about Miracle Crap.